As a public service to help other women avoid becoming the next Mrs. Gov. Jim McGreevey or Mrs. Rev. Ted Haggard, there’s a new book and handy checklist. Bonnie Kaye has produced, “Is He Gay? A Checklist of Women Who Wonder.”
Editor’s note: Shouldn’t that be, “A Checklist FOR Women Who Wonder?”
Anyway, listen up if you have that nagging feeling hubby just isn’t all that into you. Or your best friend. Or your sister.
“The Gay Husband Checklist”
1. If your husband thinks you are a nymphomaniac or “pushy and aggressive” because you want sex twice a week.
2. If sexual activity steeply declines within the first few years of marriage.
3. You’re always more sexually aggressive than your husband.
4. If your husband is turned off by the thought of touching your vaginal area or performing oral sex on you.
5. If his best friend is gay.
6. If he hangs out in gay bars.
7. If he enjoys watching gay porn movies and surfing gay porn Web sites.
8. If he is excessively homophobic, mocking and imitating other gay men.
9. If he brags about gay men complimenting him on his looks.
She left out number 10, but I think it’s, “If your husband has seen Brokeback Mountain six times but you’ve seen it eight.”
I have to ask about numbers 6 and 7. Can you say, “Duh?”
Hi, my name is april and i was wondering.Can it also be a sign , if your husband is gay, if he says’ ” I don’t care how big you get, it doesn’t matter, your not fat.” My husband seems to not care how fat i am getting. My friend told me” you know he said that, because if hes gay, he won’t care how you look becuase hes attracted to gay men”.Also he doesn’t seem to want to touch my vaginal area saying ” No, i don’t like it, my hand will smell.” My love life is like a joke right now, but i am the one not laughing.
One thing positive about searching these websites, I know I’m not alone. Do I have any “real” proof that my husband is gay? Some say yes, some say no. My heart goes out to you, April, and all the rest. I keep trying to tell myself that I’m being paranoid. I just don’t want to admit that this is real. Not only does my husband not care about me getting fat, he spends his days on the phone with another man. Sometimes, they call each other 15 times in a day. Bear in mind that they also work together and are both working away from home(out of state) and stay in the same hotel. This guy is not the first, although I managed to ignore the first one. My husband is gone sometimes for months at a time on his job, and when he comes home he wants a hot meal, a kiss, a hug,a drink and otherwise to be left alone. He sits up all night waiting for me to go to sleep before he will come to bed. When I try to talk to him about our sex life (or lack thereof) he blames me. He uses excuses like , well I knew you worked hard and were tired, or I thought you weren’t feeling well. Obviously, I’ve been sick and tired for years, according to him. Does all this mean that he is gay, I don’t know. But I don’t know what else to think.
April,
First of all wash your crotch rocket. That is so gross. Perhaps clean yourself.
Next you should rent some gay porn and watch it with him. See how excited he gets.
First of all, let me say something to this disrespectful person, Estela, That dose not means that she had and odor just because she told you what he said. You are very insulting to a person who’s already in pain. Your comment isn’t funny to me. You should really check yourself.
To April,
Sorry to hear that you have such an sorry excuss of a husband, what I mean by that is men act in a way that some times make us think all kind of things and feel a kind of ways but the bottom line is because we give to much of ourselves to them and we expect them to give back to us what we give,but they are not. Start focusing more on you and your happiness, find new habbies, go out to dinner alone sometimes and do more things on your own without him. What I am trying to say is when you find more independence you will loose more of him. So if he is gay,by the time you find out you will be so stress or high blood presure or what ever, but if you find peace you’ve found all that matters,
God bless you. Peace
9. If he brags about gay men complimenting him on his looks
no true at all i told my girl friend that and all it means is that gay man have good taste if a gay man finds you good looking a woman would find you even better looking….
number
8.he is excessively homophobic, mocking and imitating other gay men.
i mock gay people some times/imitating them does not mean I’m gay what so ever…
number 6. If he hangs out in gay bars. yea i hung out at a gay bar with a friend for him not to think I’m homophobic i don’t hate on different people
all the stuff listed does not mean i’m gay at all 100% straight male :-) came to this website cause it was on tv and wanted to make a few things nice and clear
and for any of you lady’s that want to speak with me feel free to Ivanacosta1985@hotmail.com im a very good listener
Update: Ivan turned out to be gay after all. He did protest too much about the list. Guess he thought he was fooling everyone, but he was too obvious.
Let’s get real you Ivan did not just happen on this site.
Ivan, being a good listener is #11.
My husband of 13 years is suddenly wanting a divorce. Over the past couple of months he continually has talked about his new found friend, which is a male. immediately after I was served papers he changed the locks on our house so I could not enter. I had to make an appointment with him to get my clothes. We set up an appointment on the 1st and when I walked in he had his new best friend sitting at my kitchen table. When I introduced myself to his friend he shook my hand and bowed. His friend did not have a car at the house so my husband must have picked him up. When I left I saw them down the road eating at waffle house together. My gut feeling is he is gay. I found a few months ago a gift to him from a man in his office. Should I have concern?
Can anyone help me try to understand this…my husband was a virgin until 28 and his first time having sex was with me but he got so soft that the condom fell off. A year later and we still can’t have sex bc the condom falls off. He is hard when we kiss and touch and then as soon as we try sex he gets soft. He stays hard and has an orgasm when I touch him with my hands but can’t have intercourse. I asked him if he was gay many times (he’s a military guy and doesn’t look or act gay) but he was brought up as a Baptist and his family is conservative in their views and are almost fundamentalist with their religion. I thought he was in deep denial about being gay but he swears he’s not. He gets an erection while looking at me and touching me so I thought he was straight. He is constantly looking at sports (guys only) which had me thinking he was looking at the guys but he swears he is totally 100% straight and thinks its gross. I’m so confused. I don’t want to waste my life with someone who is deep in the closet. My question to all the men is…is it possible to lose an erection due to sex but be able to keep one with hand play and still be straight? he says he’s afraid of getting me pregnant but in the past he said he’d love it if i was pregnant :S A fear of pregnancy wouldn’t prevent an erection everytime would it? please help
also, he doesn’t touch my vagina ever but likes my butt. I’m not unattractive and I always try to look and smell nice for him. He’s clean of all diseases, had been tested recently for an application, so it’s not like he’s afraid of giving me a disease…i really don’t know what to think
The list is very very frail.
Personal experience:
#1 #2 #3: could also mean he has a hotter female lover.
But they also could mean he doesn’t have so much appetite.
#5 is completely silly. His friend being gay doesn’t mean a thing. Also notice that some straight men can be flaming, and many people often hastly judge them wrong.
But #8 and #9 are good indicators yes. Being very homophobic and excessively butchy are in my experience good indicators. To me if one butchy guy is very homophobic and often making lots of comments about common looking nearby women, looking too much at them, usually means I am going to succeed if I start showing my interest on him. If he’s married to an ugly looking and/or fat female and she has some inferiority complex then I am almost always right to think he’s more sexually attracted to men than women.
But beware, I think this will be hard for women to understand, a typical man could have had many male to male sexual relations and still not be gay or bi.
What matters is the way a man feels. A married man could have lots of sexual appetite and the ocasion favoured the homosexual relation, simply as that, but preferably they would do it with another women. They just need some therapy if they’re sexually addicted.
I’ve found that many married men specially those open to french kissing are in fact needing affection which his wife could not supply and they’re strongly attached to them and could not see themselves cheating on her with another woman. In this case I don’t consider them gay either, no matter how many relations they had.
My first relation with a guy started like this. He was my best friend. Despite a 10 year age difference we studied at the same college, I was always too much mature for my age and often hang out with older people. We studied together for 2 years and on the third year we were very close, we sat next to eachother, when we met our hugs were very tight, our arms would touch when we walked, and such. I was going thru my personal ordeal of accepting my sexual orientation and somewhat this relationship easened my depression. One day after classes he said with eyes full of tears he needed me in his house tonight. He did not say why. I went there and it happened. It was the first time to me and I am pretty sure it was the first time for him with another guy as well. After an year of secret encounters and such I started to notice that his arousal was mainly due to the way I often let my body touching him, my hugs. He had confessed he was never interest to anyone but his wife before and that he never had felt this way. He described that when I hugged him or even touch my arm to his it was like our skins were making love to eachother and that’s why after a 2 year struggle he decided to make a move. He also told me he was intending on dropping the marriage. I was frightned by that thought. And for being too close to him all the time I noticed he had an insanely beautiful wife. Despite 3 children she had a perfect body, toned belly and legs, she took too much care about her appearance. But she was also very cold, she was too much averse to touch, very demanding and egocentric. I immediately understand what was wrong there. I told him that she did not correspond to him affectionately and it was just because he was in deep need of affection that we started seeing eachother. I refused to let him divorce him on that ground and broke up with him. To this day, none of my relations showed such resistance to accept the break up. I was young, he was gorgeous and I wasn’t able to resist his suffering and tears. It was just after we finish college and then I needed to move to another town that I could finally end the relationship, for the sake of both of us.
I kept distance but still kept contact because I was first his friend and would try to keep it that way. He divorced 3 years later, and then after sometime he invited me to be his bestman on his new marriage, as he was living with her for 4 years and I was completely right on his need of affection. As far as I know, I was his only homosexual experience in his entire life.
So I would not like to label anyone as “gay” because one had an homosexual experience in the past, because more often than not this isn’t the true sexual orientation.
I am gay myself and decided to give up on building a family instead of deluding anyone. I am very butchy myself and this often draw the attention of guys of similar looks and behavior and unfortunately mostly are married and suffer from sexual orientation disorder. In my understanding their suffering and the suffering of their family and wives is the consequence of living in a homophobic society.
A lot of married guys suffer because they do truly love their wives, they care about them and are very affectionately attached to them. At the same time their sexual interest lies elsewhere.
So even in case you have evidence of homosexual behavior on your husband please try to dialogue and seek a counselor together and do not make hasty judgements or decisions about the course of your lives. But please do not incentive him on finding a “cure” as there’s no such thing.
This is ridiculous a man can have sex with a man and still not be gay. It’s this kind of thinking keeping these men in the closet. Telling these men they are straight. Men in the closet don’t want to be gay. You are telling them what they want to hear foreclosing on the process of coming to terms with ones sexuality. It can take years for a gay man to come out. I know I am a gay man I was married to a woman for 20 years. I cared deeply for my wife, but she could not fulfill me the way a man can. It took me years to come to this realization. I did not want to be gay, my wife did not want me to be gay. We have a family and tried to work on our marriage for some years. It was counseling such as yours that kept my wife and I stuck and confused.
I have never read such utter nonsense as to the checklist. Women are constantly wanting men to open up to each other,to accept their emotional side and to also love their families. The moment they do, they are all accused of being less than manly. You can’t have it both ways, ladies. It is also happens that men love their best buddies. The bond between men is strong and solid and men, gay and straight, DO like to look at other men’s physiques – like women do with each other – to compare health and lifestyles. Just as homosexual appreciation between women is increasing around the world, so is sexual acceptance between guys. But to say straight men don’t like being complimented by other men on their looks is complete BS! The rest of the list is suspect too, though I agree most guys nowadays are more at ease with their male/male relationships than ever before – and that is how it should be!
It’s important when reading this checklist to understand that Bonnie Kaye is a fake, and an idiot…they are not mutually exclusive.
Bonnie Kaye lumps together years of trauma that occurs before she even meets her “gay husband” and then blames him for EVERYTHING. Here are just SOME of the things that happened before she married her gay husband that she describes in HER OWN WORDS in her books…
-Years of family abuse growing up
-Years of seeking men’s approval through sex starting around age 15
-Being sexually assaulted in her own home by an old friend of her mother’s
-Self-admittedly attempting at 17 to trap her 30 year old boyfriend into marrying her by getting pregnant
-Her mom making her get an abortion, dropping out of school
-Having to go live for two years with the father who abused her previously (and living with her drug addict brother who years later dies in the basement of Bonnie Kaye’s own home due to drugs, with her youngster kids living in the house no less)
-Letting a man she barely knew move in with her after three sex hookups; he lives with her for a couple of years and uses her for housing/food/money while he had a girlfriend on the side
-Marrying a mentally ill man who turns out to be a dangerous man
Bonnie Kaye admits she is divorced from her first husband no more than a few months to nine months (depending on which version of her story you believe) before she decides on the VERY FIRST DATE that gay-man is going to be her next husband…which happens just 4 to 6 months later (again depending on which version you believe).
She even admits that her best friend warned her that he was bisexual or gay..that he told him so. He told her he was a “confirmed bachelor”! His friends and family were suprpised he was getting married because they knew he was a “confirmed bachelor”. She even admits that she had been attracted to or dated some boys/men before who turned out to be gay (she names fellow psychology kook Richard Cohen by name).
All of THAT, and she is horrified to find out the man she married at the drop of a hat is gay!?? And that she felt “trapped” in her three year marriage to the gay man who fathered her two children?!
Bonnie Kaye has all kinds of mental illness that she has not resolved still after 30 years!!! She has written about how she rejects Counseling, threw away her books, because “traditional” counseling doesn’t fit her worldview. What is that worldview? That men..specifically, her gay husband is to blame for everything!!!
Well of course traditional counseling doesn’t support that worldview….because it is non-sense. If you don’t get treated for your own traumas and mental illness, what chance did you marriages, either of them, have? So he was gay…then get divorced and move on. Nope, not Bonnie Kaye.
She has to make an entire cottage industry out of bashing her gay husband who, whether well intentioned or conniving, entered into a marriage with a piece of work he could never have imagined..but certainly saved himself by breaking free.
Bonnie Kaye claims to have a Master’s degree in Education specializing in Counseling. If so, that would be a degree in School Counseling not clinical counseling. Still, even if she does have such a degree, it should be rescinded. She has never had a license to practice counseling yet she practices and charges for counseling. Scary huh? And these women buy her schtick and swallow the garbage hook, line, and sinker.
So take ALL OF THAT into account and now consider these idiotic items from Bonnie Kaye’s checklist of what to watch for because it means your husband just might be gay!
-A decline in sexual activity. (Which all credible sex research shows is a real phenomenon that occurs over time in about 90% of ALL marriages! But for Bonnie..it means he’s gay)
-His sexual performance is more mechanical than passionate (Has she ever really had sex with a straight man? Most men are exactly that…mechanical, repetitive…and quick…in what they do sexually).
-He claims he is depressed or blames his depression medication (Over 6 million men suffer from clinical depression and double that number have brief bouts of depression…and nearly ALL anti-depressant medication has sexual side effects!!!! But for Bonnie, it means he’s gay!)
-You find sexual “enhancers” in his hiding places. (As many as 50 million men use some form of erectile dysfunction medication. That’s a whoooole lot of gay men!!! That’s six times as man gay men as any study has found.)
-He enjoys anal stimulation or anal sex. (Two national studies from 2006 and 2008 reported in 2011 found that 44% of men and 36% of women reported that during their life they engaged in some forms of anal sex with their heterosexual partner. But for Bonnie that = gay). http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf
-He erases the computer on a regular basis. (Though it is a convenient cover up for someone trying to hide something, most people regularly clear their browsing history to protect their computer from viruses/slowdown/intrusion.)
-He spends excessive time texting people at irregular hours (How does a woman skip the likely reason for this behavior…that he’s having an affair!!? ..and reach the conclusion that he’ gay?)
-He starts to spend time at the gym. (Nowadays, she talks about men cruising “straight” gyms instead of the “gay” gyms. Unless you live in a major city center there is no such thing as a “gay gym”. That aside, tens of millions of men belong to gyms..and as men age, and they experience their mid-life crisis, or heart or diabetes warning signs…they all head to gyms to ward off an early death…but for Bonnie Kaye…this means they’re gay!)
-He won’t or can’t tell you why he feels trapped in your marriage. (Given Bonnie Kaye’s own personal history of trauma…how would you broach the subject that you think she is damaged beyond repair and you want out? Telling her that to her face isn’t going to warm her up to an amicable divorce..better to say nothing!! At least that way the worst that seemed to happen was being labled as gay. Imagine what the alternative would have been had he told her the rest of the truth?! Yikes.)
-He travels a lot for business and you can’t track his activiies. (She doesn’t deny that he’s travelling for business, she’s just upset that when she’s not snooping his computer history and looking for his secret stash of viagra, that she can’t track his every move while he’s on his business trips! This is a whole lot of crazy.)
-He says he’s having a mid-life crisis and gets moody and depressed. (This describes over half of all Americans!!! Who knew there were so many gay people in marriages!? There aren’t!!! These men are having midlife crises and getting depressed…they’re not trapped in the closet!)
-He tells you about sexual abuse in his childhood/adolescence. (Does she mean like the abuse she experienced in her childhood/adolescence…that she tells us about…that DIDN’T turn her into a lesbian?!?! But if your husband was abused by a guy when he was younger…he’s gay! She clearly has no knowledge of the literature or research on this topic which most COUNSELORS would be aware of, especially those who were abused themselves as a child. Nope. Bonnie Kaye ignores the abundance of research which overwhelmingly tells us that there is no connection between early childhood abuse and later in life sexual identity/orientation. It does tell us that people who have been abused early in life are more likely to commit the same kinds of abuse themselves. Double yikes.)
-He uses the word bisexual. (Uses? Or calls himself? Either way..bisexual is ..bisexual..not gay. And if you think he’s gay…divorce him!! But staying with him for years and years and blaming him…you have to be all kinds of damaged, stupid or in denial. He named it for you..bisexual..deal with it or leave him..but don’t blame him for TRAPPING you in the marriage).
-He makes homophobic comments..or too many gay commments in conversation. (Hilarious!!! Too harsh..you’re gay. Too observant…you’re gay. Too complimentary..you’re gay. So Bonnie Kaye needs to tell us…just how homophobic men can be before they are too homophobic and are “gay homophobic”. Or, how many times you can bring up gay people in conversation before you’ve crossed the line and now you are gay.)
-His ego is boosted by compliments from gay men. (First of all, if gay men are around to compliment him, then they are likely your friends as well as his…or they are his co-workers whom he can’t avoid. And, whether it is one or 20 gay men who compliment him, should he feel good about those compliments..or should he come home and complain that those freakin f*****s won’t stop complimenting him and it’s making him feel horrible or uncomfortable. Get real Bonnie, a compliment is a compliment no matter who it’s from. If they’re flirting with him, that’s their behavior, not his. If he comes home disheveled with semen on his collar..maybe you should start worrying.)
So many of Bonnie Kaye’s counseling expertise is bunk when held up to the light of day. She felt wronged because the husband whom everyone, including him, warned her that he might be bisexual or gay..turned out to be bisexual or gay! He was brave enough to have sex with her at least twice because they had two children (both of whom died by the age of 23).
Bonnie Kaye has a LOT of reasons to feel damaged, traumatized and victimized…that her husband actually turned out to be gay or bisexual as numerous people pointed out to her before they were married…is the LEAST of those reasons!!!!! But, it’s the reason, and embodiment, that she has fixated on to create an entire industry of outrage which she lures other women into so they can experience the same degree of pain, anger, and victimization that she does.
Bonnie Kaye is an unstable charlatan and people, especially other experts and news people, need to stop enabling her destructive obsession.
Ruth,that is a brilliant post. I can’t stop laughing at how cleverly you laid bare the ridiculousness of Bonnie Kaye’s arguments. Her crony Debra Sutton is cut from the same cloth. These women have taken their, and a collection of others’, selective experiences and formulated a myopic and corrosive interpretation of sexual behavior that betrays the findings of research and broader human experience. These women should not be passing off their bitter ranting as sound advice and counsel.
Ruth and Cunning Linguist,
Thank goodness more people are taking notice and calling bullsh-t where they see and smell bullsh-t!
Bonnie Kaye is a one woman wrecking crew. I counseled one of her victims about 8 years ago. She had participated in Kaye’s support group and received personal counseling from her for about a year. Based on the counseling and advice of Bonnie Kaye, my client spent nearly six months spying on her husband to find proof that he was gay. She bought recording equipment, hired a private investigator, made copies of his computer files, was skimming small amounts of money out of their bank accounts and pawning personal items to pay for these and other activities.
During the intake session my client told me that she knew her husband was gay and that he was an abusive predator who picked her because he could tell she was the perfect prototype that gay men look for when they want to use a woman as cover for their homosexuality or career. She had a laundry list of beliefs about her husband..some seemed plausible, some were wildly unbelievable.
A few really important facts to know about this situation:
-My clients (and I) were horrified (although i was not surprised) to discover that Bonnie Kaye does not have a license to practice as a therapist/counselor
-A quick review of her website and books made it obvious where my client picked up some of the crazy notions that she clinged to as fact but weren’t
-Bonnie Kaye was completely unaware, and apparently uninterested to know that my client had pre-existing medical and emotional issues that should have been relatively easy to observe or assess if your an actual counselor. Bonnie Kaye is not; so she not only was ignorant of the condition of my client, her “counseling” consisted of discussions/activities that served no real purpose or value for a client such as this one.
-Worst of all, she encouraged my client to take action on a couple of strategies that completely sabotaged her marriage; and when it ended abruptly, Bonnie Kaye told her that it would have been worse if she was still with her husband because he was manipulating and using her. My client damanged a number of her relationships, caused anguish in her family, became obsessive about every little detail of his life and neglected the details of her own.
-Through her participation with Bonnie Kaye, my client was encouraged to not even talk to her husband about any of this because he would only lie and manipulate her further. She was encouraged to not talk to him at all but simply to make an exit plan and leave him.
-She had even been pre-coached to be prepared for him to date and marry other women so he could use them like he used her; and that it was okay for her to inform or warn women he dated or became engaged to all that they needed to know to not end up marrying a gay man like she had.
-So my client kept tabs on her husband whom she was separated from, pending divorce; she continued to waste money because she needed to have proof because he will never admit it; she wanted to prove to the judge that it was true so everyone could see what a monster he was.
From what I can tell from Bonnie Kaye’s own website and book previews (I won’t waste a penny on her garbage) she even admits that most of the women she deals with come from very broken, dysfunctional, or abusive backgrounds!!!! Yet she still plays counselor to these women, feeding them har quackery and advice. Some of her insights seem like common sense on the surface, but beyond that surface there is no substance, no awareness, no capacity to actually help these women..and, for the handfuls that sing her praises, I fear there are hundreds.. she claims 100,000!!!!!! who have swalloed her poison pills and sabotaged their own relationships, physical health, mental health, friendships, and happiness.
Who knows if all of these husbands are in fact gay or bisexual. It’s 2016 and Bonnie Kaye still rejects bisexuality as a valid core identity and it seems that as she pushes herself closer and closer to admitting the truth about bisexuality…what decades of research and common sense has been telling us…it’s real, valid, and complex… she still wants to categorize all of these men as broken and unacceptable because….OMG penis! Clearly Bonnie Kaye has no self-control, self-awarenes, or capacity for true empathy or she would not play god, or counselor, or whatever she believes she is playing at as she poisons these women and their relationships.
I attempted a call to Bonnie Kaye to ask her what the heck she thinks she is doing. But she has no office, no phone number posted, nothing but an email address. THAT smelled like bad news to me and I was not going to engage in a back and forth about such a serious matter with some virtual person who may or may not be the person I’m trying to contact, nor could I or would I reveal any information about my client.
I was going to link to some of her Amazon books where some dedicated non-admirer has made a hobby out of giving her books scathing reviews, and commenting on all of the other reviews. Those reviews are screaming out with caution and concern about an obviously damaged woman who knows not the damage she is inflicting on countless others. I don’t know if she does this for fun because she can, or if she really believes that she is a world expert in this field of counseling (which she claims) when she isn’t even in the counseling field and doesn’t have a license.
I encouraged my client to file a police report in this matter. And it was no surprise when she did not — she was too consumed with her actual problems, to embaraassed and ashamed at things she had done and said, and felt so used and betrayed by Bonnie Kaye that she didn’t want to become consumed with anger over that entire situation needless to say spend time in court trying to prove what had taken place. Unfortunately, victims of all types are hesitant to complain or take official action.
Bonnie Kaye is getting up there in years, we can only hope that she comes to her senses, or that those close to her help encourage her to get the help she clearly needs. I have compassion for her but that does not excuse what she’s doing or the pain she is causing for others. More and more every day it appears the manipulators and fakers are inherting the world while the rest of us try to keep it from burning.
Be well and be cautious.
I am not aware of the woman cunning lingust refers to named Debra Sutton. If anyone knows more about her I’d be interested to learn more.
Ooops. I said I was going to link to her Amazon books to share very detailed one star reviews. But it appears that they are gone. Although there are plenty of comments of a similar nature that I assume are written by the same reviewer. Although there appear to be others as well. No matter. My experience with my client stands on its own.
I have a question about #5, “his best friend is gay.”
What if my husband’s best friend is lesbian, does that count? She creeps me out, and I don’t understand why he’s friends with her. He says they met in grad school and they just get along real well since they are both software engineers. I always thought lesbians don’t like straight men and then I read this and now I’m confused.
It’s time to start laughing at the ridiculousness of Bonnie Kaye and her cult members like Debbie Sutton….enjoy…
http://www.gayhusbands.net
OMG…that is a bit much but some of it is hilarious!!! And, dare I say, deserved. Too funny!