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Sarah Palin has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district and when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there are consequences to that action.
— Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, March 25, 2010, on MSNBC.
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I’m not really disputing Hitlers rise rather the idea of using Wiki, ,moreover I’m disputing the idea of connecting Fascism and National Socialism.
I made the case above but if you have any new info, please post it for me. Thanks
Well as a I believe myself to be the party of Jefferson, ya know how I feel about tyranny.
I am worried about this Brady bill, feels like an off shoot of the Alien and Sedition Acts.
You know Jon, if this bill gets passed that means no one can say anything that “could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a federal official or member of Congress.”
If the bill is as vague as the article describing it, we could kiss calling out every politician, left or right for wrong doing.
Also you can probably say good bye to saying anything against Beck, Hannity, Olbermann, Maddow and Matthews. They will eventually be protected by the same ideas while ours of dissent will made a Federal Crime.
It wouldn’t be a bad idea to start teaming up with even people you never thought you would, civil libertarians and those Ron Paul people.
Just a thought.
Kim, I do my durnedest to keep up but the only Brady Bill I’m aware of was the Reagan-era gun law. Also can’t think of a lawmaker named Brady other than Bill Bradley and when I googled Google News all that came up was an anti-sexting bill in South Carolina.
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DEMAND THE FCC HOLD THE NETWORKS ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT BROADCASTING
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Kim, the fact that tea baggers, et al don’t know the difference between “calling out” and “threatening or inciting violence” is the problem.
Bamboo Harvester,
The FCC is a sham and of course the Networks are too big, have you any idea who OWNS MSNBC?
I’ll give you a hint, its two companies 1.) Donated $1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign
2.) Donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.
Now one of the companies that owns MSNBC also funded Hitler in the past, this is also the same corporation that dumped toxic waste into the Hudson and builds bombs to drop on brown people over seas.
It’s General Electric and if you’ve never seen the movie Network I suggest you do now.
GE is thisclose to selling NBC-Universal to Comcast, not that they’re any better than GE. Also can’t resist pointing out that, next to the Murdoch family, the person with the largest ownership of Fox’s parent company is a Muslim prince, which is ironic since there is no bigger promoter of Islamophobia than Fox.
On a brighter note, the next tech wave coming at us appears to be gizmos that will connect TVs to the Internet, finally.
Trish, when I protested Bush in NYC I saw signs that stated far worse things, sure they’re all bad things to say but people were screaming “KILL HIM”, “BLOW UP THE WHITE HOUSE”
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html
Sorry, Trish, there is as much hate on the left as there is on the right. I’m not buying the whole Tea-Party are violent or incite it either. Never have I read or heard of any tea-party erupting in violence but I have heard of people of my party attacking them. I’ll cite sources and of course if you have any info please send it through.
Like I said ealier in posts, I don’t support the Tea-Party but I will not blame them for what happened either, no matter how much SPLC wants to us to believe it, the tea-party is not this evil group, half of them are above the age of 50!
But let me ask you something, would you be complaining if a Republican was in office and offered up this same legislation? Would you be happier if a Republican were shot? Would you feel the same way you do now?
There is no equivalence here, Kim. Your analysis leaves out the lopsided level with which the political fringe on right gets covered versus the relatively minuscule coverage of the fringe left. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around…
George Bush broke a rack of U.S. and international laws. Calling him a war criminal and seeking his trial and execution for those crimes through due process is not equivalent to Angle’s saying that if an election’s outcome is not to her followers’ liking they will seek “Second Amendment remedies” or calling on people to show up with loaded guns and, as a result, having an idiot arrive outside a presidential event with loaded weapons and a sign threatening to “water the tree of liberty” with, presumably, the tyrant Barack Obama’s blood.
If you attended the anti-war protests you know that they were all but ignored by the establishment media as well as Fox/right-wing radio, so it is unhelpful to the case that both sides are equally guilty to pretend that anti-Bush, anti-war protests received anything more than one-one-thousandth of the coverage than did every tea bagger rage fit and their hate-filled misspelled signs.
Statistically, nobody, but nobody, saw the anti-Bush photos collected at that link. And those signs and protests had zero impact on political debate or campaigns. Zilch. They’re being trotted out now simply to give cover to the right and spin away any shred of accountability the right has for the toxic rhetoric.
What has happened since the Inauguration in 2009 is this. Instead of addressing the the rage within their base responsibly and seeking reason and rational response from them, Republicans like Dick Armey, Sal Russo, the Koch brothers, Palin, Angle, Boehner and McConnell chose to inflame the rage in order to use it for their own political purposes. Their gambit worked in the short term in that it gave them control of the House, but it also ratcheted up irrational hatred for the government and helped create an environment in which deranged men — the Holocaust Museum shooter in June 2009, the IRS plane bomber last February, the Beck-inspired attempted cop-killer in October and now apparently Jared Loughner — became enthralled, frustrated and emboldened to act.
There has not been a single similar episode in which a deranged leftist resorted to attempted mass murder in the same period.
But I think the bottom line is this: Palin is in damage control. She knew about Giffords’ quote from March in which she said there would be “consequences” for Palin for publishing the crosshairs map. As I said before, it’s not that Palin has blood on her hands, it’s that she allowed herself to be put in the extremely vulnerable place she finds herself today. Smart pols don’t expose themselves to this sort of needless risk.
Oh, my bad Jon, let me get the link for you.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/dem-congressman-introduce-bill-banning-bullseye-crosshair-symbols/
Please. Never gonna happen. That’s clearly unconstitutional. Waste of energy.
Oh, god. Comcast is awful! I had them in Boston…so crappy.
Something funnier on your second point, ya know that Bush has Muslims in his family, Mexicans too.
Jon, have you seen the TV that is a thick as a quarter? This stuff is just getting better and better but also scary, I think back to the word of Bruno Bettlehiem when he spoke of being controlled by technology or us bending it to meet our needs as people.
Too much is a bad thing, ya know?
Well, Im happy you agree. I’m just curious to where was this bill when Bush was in office, where was the tea-party too?
lol, no i’m kidding, they were around…then came fox news..yuck
Kim, please crawl back under whatever bridge you emerged from. And do not presume to know my thoughts. To even ask questions like, “Would you be happier if a Republican were shot? Would you feel the same way you do now?” shows how pointless it is to try share my point of view with you. We are on different planets, sister.
Usually when you ask questions, you’re not presuming anything. Are you a journalist or commentator?
You called out the tea-party, I rebutted it with pictures of people on our side of the political spectrum having way worse of signs than I have ever seen at any tea-party.
Healthy debate isn’t to be frowned upon in our Democracy, right?
No disrespect, Trish. No need for being hostile, I’ll listen to your views but expect dissent and respect it, don’t run from it.
Jon, while all of that might be true it doesn’t take away the fact that the left wing has always been a tad more violent. Look what happens at the G8 Summit, every time they have it..
And I’m pretty sure Tree of Liberty quote was from Jefferson an Anti-Federalist, right?, and I remember the segment on MSNBC where Matthew’s interviewed the guy with the sign, all it said was ” It’s time to water the Tree of Liberty”? Not, ” It’s context. That quote is artfully written like many of Jefferson’s Anti-Central Government quotes. But unlike any of the signs held by he Anti-Bush protestors, the Tea-Party held pretty moderate signs in comparison.
Angle is an idiot and so is Bush ( we know this by opinion alone ) but the point is both sides called for blood and there is no disputing that and we shouldn’t be doing that at all anyway.
And I need to see these statistics because I remember seeing these signs on Fox, on Comedy Central, South Park even did an episode about it, I saw them in the news paper and on web articles.
But O’Reilly and Rush definitely had something to say about these protests and these signs.
I’ll agree about the damage control part but I guess we’re going to have to agree to disagree about the rest.
Yes, the quote from Jefferson is “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”
And, yes, I couldn’t disagree more with idea that the left is equally guilty or moreso of creating a toxic political environment than the right. I think the end-result evidence that there have been no incidents of deranged leftists attempting mass murder in the past two years, compared with at least three incidents on the right, is incontrovertible proof. In fact, you’ll have to remind me if there were violent attacks on civilians by deranged liberals during the Bush era. I can’t think of any.
I also don’t think there is any equivalence at all between acts of civil disobedience in protest against corporatism and the deranged violent attacks — or even the tea baggers’ occasional outbursts of violent temper at the health-care town halls in 2009.
The difference is a result of the media apparatus on the left and the right. There is no equivalent on the left to the right-wing propaganda outlets at Fox and on radio. These outlets work in concert with the GOP to propagate disinformation, inflame hateful passion and attack liberals in a way that Comedy Central and MSNBC could not match even if they were evil enough to want to.
Also I think the only group the have connected Jared Loughner to that American Renaissance group and the leader of the organization, Jared Taylor, has dismissed the accusation as nonsense. “Taylor says he also has no indication that Loughner ever attended any of AmRen’s events, all of which have been held on the East Coast,”
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/01/09/american-renaissance-denies-dhs-charges-any-affiliation-shooter
Overall it looks like this kid was a nutcase and not at all a right winger, recent news of the suspect shows that we was into the occult :
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html
He was described by a former classmate as a “leftwing pot head”
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php#
“Favorited” video of flag burnings on youtube:
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/screen-shot-2011-01-08-at-3-24-41-pm.png
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw
His facebook said about him : Under “About Jared” on Facebook, Loughner wrote: “Love hunting trolls and children, I want to be a woman one day… Most people just don’t seem to understand me, but I’m gonna prove to you all how wrong you are… My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college.”
Add this to rest of the information we have on him:
– Burning the American flag
– Being decribed as a “left-winger” and a “liberal”
– Smoking pot
– Dressing up as the grim reaper
– Dabbling in the occult practices and worshipping a replica of a human skull
– Reports of the shooter expressing the desire to be a woman
– Describing Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto as a favorite book
So what new info do you have that you can show he might have been right wing? He looks no wing to me, he’s batshit crazy
There is strong circumstantial evidence he planned the attack and targeted Rep. Giffords, a Democrat, because she was a representative of the government. If we find out later that he did it because she supports gun rights, us lefties will be embarrassed. Conversely, if we find out he did it because he heard Sharron Angle’s voice in his head telling him to enact a “Second Amendment solution” against Giffords, the right will, of course, not be embarrassed, and with the help of their lapdogs in the establishment media, continue to escape accountability.
Same as it ever was.
Added: To be clear, I wasn’t including Loughner in the “at least three” right-wing deranged attackers. There was an incident in Philadelphia and another one in the Bay Area that I recall vaguely but don’t have time to track down.
Talking Heads fits the mood ;)
sarah palin, you have blood on your hands.
Weird that you’d say that, you sound like a fringe nutcase.
Interestingly enough, just stopped for a sandwich when I saw this sign hung over bridge saying
“Why are people so outraged when citizens commit acts of violence against a government official while relatively few people seem to care when the government commits acts of violence against the People?”
Food for thought.